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Posted by ViniH on Sunday, 18 November 2007, 23:25

I got a phone call this evening, it was my mum.   She told me that my Aunt Eileen has been diagnosed with lung cancer, which has already spread to her liver.  They’ve told her that she’ll be lucky to see this Christmas.  Those that know me well will already know what an epic fail this year has been for my family.  Amongst many other things that I won’t go into, I also lost my nana earlier this year.

How is this related to gaming?  Well, it isn’t, not directly.  It’s just amusing to me, in a dark and morbid way, how so much effort and energy is expended on such negativity in this scene.  As you get older one of the things you come to realise of life is that it is unfair, but you learn to deal with it (or you don’t and go the way of Kurt Cobain).  No one comes out of it alive and nothing is more certain that your own mortality.  So when I see two supposed pillars of the community arguing in public like children on a playground about what amounts to no more than a bit of petty name-calling and finger-pointing, it makes me sad.  It makes me sad primarily because I want to see e-sports, and in particular the Counter-Strike Source scene, do well – and I wonder how the hell we are supposed to move forward in a positive and progressive way as a community when people prominent in the scene can quickly descend to such insignificant nonsense.



Everyone whines about how the ED forums are such a flame fest, or the Cadred forums, or wherever there happens to be CSS gamers.  What I don’t get is, if everyone genuinely dislikes all the bullshit, why does it happen so much?   Who are these people that are flaming each other, waving their e-peens around and generally acting like they are some sort of ghetto thugs?  Who?  I’m not going to tell you, it’ll spoil the surprise, I’ll just tell you where you can find the answer; any mirror – go take a look and find out.

One of the things that is most confusing about this scene is the fact that it is stuffed to the brim full of hypocrites.  The sheer amount of people that I talk to that decry trollish behaviour while actively participating, and sometimes even causing it, boggles the mind.  I believe that the ultimate of life is to enjoy it, so the only reasonable conclusion I can come to is that either no one in the scene has any modicum of self-control, or that you all actually enjoy flaming the shit out of each other and the “rise above” attitude that many people have is actually a masquerade to cover this simple reality.

Maybe I am wrong, maybe it’s a minority that enjoy abusing each other – or maybe, as I suspect, it’s a minority that think this is holding us back as a community.   The worry thing for me is that some of the people who profess to be in the latter group are actually in the former.  Some people will say that many in the scene are kids and don’t know any better, that they will mature and chill out.   To be fair though, the most obnoxious people, the most persistent trolls and the loudest voices around are more often than not people who are well past school age, and should (in theory) know better.

With all the sponsorship coming in and mainstream coverage increasing and everything else that is coming our way that is helping the scene to evolve and mature, it’s high time that the people that are at the forefront of this digital niche lead by example and evolve and mature with it.  “Do as I say, not as I do” has never been an effective strategy.  Wise up people, honestly, or we’ll find ourselves reminiscing in the near future, about the ephemeral peak of gaming and what could have been.

 

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soviet_ Sun, 18 November 2007 - 23:55:34
Sorry to hear that Vin
dep Mon, 19 November 2007 - 00:04:17
sorry to hear about your aunt.
Menengroth Mon, 19 November 2007 - 00:09:05
sorry to hear that man

agree with what you say though
gumble Mon, 19 November 2007 - 00:22:35
Sorry to hear about that ViniH, and i agree fully with your sentiments

"Treat people how you would like to be treated" is my motto this year, and in fact it works nicely. There is a fine line between friendly banter and continous flaming, i know MODx and ESX usually have a good friendly banter occasionally, but we are all casual friends.

It will come with Organisations, who will expect gamers to act professional if they want to be pros at the game. I would reflect on this statement next year and see if the community has matured a little, but whatever happens, we need to cut down the constant flaming and start treating people with respect.
layo Mon, 19 November 2007 - 00:36:19
jaFro Mon, 19 November 2007 - 01:07:54
X206 Mon, 19 November 2007 - 01:50:12
FeralSpirit Mon, 19 November 2007 - 03:01:32
very good post.

i think its mainly to do with the safety barrier of the internet. people feel they can get away with flaming with little or no consequences.
the internet feels more disconnected from reality so people show their true selfs more i guess. but being in orgs that are in the spotlight make people more aware again of the lines they shouldn't cross.
layo Mon, 19 November 2007 - 04:10:59
i kind of like gaming how it is, the beauty of the internet is that you have anominity, even if this does hit mainstream media-wise its still going to be the same. Even in football and rugby theres dirty play, scandel and bitter rivalries.

if gaming turns out to be anything different i'll eat X's do-rag
MGz Mon, 19 November 2007 - 10:05:12
sorry to hear about your aunt mate.

allthough i mostly agree with what you said, the e thuggery and banter is half of what makes gaming fun for me, i LOVe to go on irc and rage at some one , calling them downies or any of the other usual flame,s but half the time i am sat on vent with them , or chatting to em on msn/steam friends, its just a part of gaming.

the post to which you referring to tho, is half gonzo getting defensive over his team that he is putting a lot of effort into and half (in my opinion) gonzo getting people talking about and readin about xciteuk , as he has said before, all publicity is good publicity.


and before rich says "did you read the post, there was no reason to mention xciteuk!" or "ben0 only did it to have a dig"

YES he SHOULD have mentioned xcite, if you want to have a top flight team EXPECT to have flames and critsism and flames, peopel want to tlak about efamous teams , thats the naure of the sport, and had ben not done this post some one else would have, i dcan specifically remember this type of thread being done MANY times before.

i just hope neither of you have taken this to heart, it was only a week ago all three of us were sat in the pub having a pint and a laugh.

to end, its 10am and i aint slept yet, so if this makes sense, ill be amazed
vinih Mon, 19 November 2007 - 18:38:23
Wasn't really aimed at Gonzo/Ben... there have been a number of recent examples.
L@TeRz Mon, 19 November 2007 - 10:06:02
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pressure Mon, 19 November 2007 - 10:11:42
sorry to hear that mate
Deathrow Mon, 19 November 2007 - 12:26:38
i hope you and your family pull through this mate, such a shame to hear
Nitr0us Pyrate Mon, 19 November 2007 - 13:01:18
Sorry to hear about your aunt vin.

I agree with your sentiments BUT I do still firmly believe its the minority getting the attention and tarnishing the majority.

The other big problem with this scene is rumour spreads like wild fire.

I could say on here that I saw one of the pro players tagged up in a team on a random mix game with 4 other high skilled players and tomorrow everyone would be saying how they were a new team and the next big thing.

The problem is that css players are fickle in my opinion.
chilli Mon, 19 November 2007 - 13:04:08
sorry to hear about your aunt m8.
And there was me thinking you were referring to the very public arguement between the fnatic and infused managers on cadred, I didnt know you meant something else
vinih Mon, 19 November 2007 - 18:37:38
There have been a number of recent examples - apply it to wherever it fits.
Oyster Mon, 19 November 2007 - 14:09:46
Nice Article...

The main problem with this scene is some of the people it attracts. There a good percentage of decent people who play the game, but the game has more than its a fair share of immature adolescant teenagers, concieted spoilt kids and general social misfits (myself included), an explosive mix.
Butterfly! Mon, 19 November 2007 - 14:21:24
really sorry to hear about your aunt mate your a top lad.

great article, do agree that half the people who flame are half the people that complain about it when it happens to them.

Take away all the e-penis's and egos and the community would be alot better. Like FeralSpirit said once more organisations are around and more people step into them they will change their attitude once they are in the spotlight and are expected to behave in a certain manner for themselfs, the organsation and potencial tournaments.
Icarus Mon, 19 November 2007 - 15:02:31
There is nothing at all wrong with the CSS scene people tend to forget that the people that post on CSS forums make up 1% of the user base a lot of folk dont bother, saying that they dont bother because of the un welcoming bunch of eliteist morons that usually make CSS forums there haunt.

Nice post Vinneh.

To many ego's.
layo Mon, 19 November 2007 - 15:51:05
just realised i have an auntie eileen!
roski^ Mon, 19 November 2007 - 18:55:43
Sorry for your loss.

Good post, i agree with what you said about the flaming.

Now I'm off to read the article entitled "Pez the Bastard"
Celery Thu, 22 November 2007 - 17:35:34
Bad loss man, I understand how you feel.

The people at the top of the scene need to get their acts together, stop acting like pricks and start setting an example.

Agreeing with what was said on ED about sports culture of England, we need better rolemodels than the spitting raving violent people who play at the top of the game, maybe then the bulk of the community realise that you dont need to be a twat to be good. Otherwise this scene is going to end up worse than our football one.
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